Terminator Spam.

I want to do a Terminator 'Spam' army, however I'd like to do it without handing my opponent a big 'auto-win' button every time I play a game.

The issues I'm going to have are.

1) Terminators aren't very mobile.

2) Power/Chainfisting Land Raiders to death is tricky if your opponent is inconsiderate enough to move them about (Bastards.....lol).

3) Terminators aren't cheap points-wise and it gets worse if you actually give them extra equipment.

S0 I'm not going to be able to max out on Terminators and maintain a viable list. 20 Terminators + Characters is about the best I can realistically get away with.

The following lists are just basic outlines at the moment but it never hurts to get 2nd opinions before you start converting stuff...

2000 Pts - Black Templars Roster - Terminator Spam

: Emperor's Champion (1#, 140 pts)

1 Emperor's Champion @ 140 pts (Bolt Pistol; Crusader Seals; Frag Grenades; The Black Sword; Accept Any Challenge, No Matter The Odds)

1 Armor of Faith

1 The Black Sword

HQ: Commander (5#, 330 pts)

1 Commander @ 330 pts (Castellan)

1 Castellan (Crusader Seals; Power Weapon x1; Storm Bolter; Tank Hunters; Terminator Command Squad)

1 Terminator Armor

3 Terminator Command Squad (Chain Fist x1; Assault Cannon x2; Tank Hunters)

1 Sergeant (Tank Hunters)

HQ: Commander (5#, 330 pts)

1 Commander @ 330 pts (Castellan)

1 Castellan (Crusader Seals; Power Weapon x1; Storm Bolter; Tank Hunters; Terminator Command Squad)

1 Terminator Armor

3 Terminator Command Squad (Chain Fist x1; Assault Cannon x2; Tank Hunters)

1 Sergeant (Tank Hunters)

Elite: Sword Brethren Terminator Squad (5#, 260 pts)

5 Sword Brethren Terminator Squad @ 260 pts (Chain Fist x1; Assault Cannon x2; Tank Hunters)

Elite: Sword Brethren Terminator Squad (5#, 260 pts)

5 Sword Brethren Terminator Squad @ 260 pts (Chain Fist x1; Assault Cannon x2; Tank Hunters)

Elite: Sword Brethren Terminator Squad (5#, 260 pts)

5 Sword Brethren Terminator Squad @ 260 pts (Chain Fist x1; Assault Cannon x2; Tank Hunters)

Troops: Crusader Squad (5#, 105 pts)

5 Crusader Squad @ 105 pts (Meltagun; Lascannon)

Troops: Crusader Squad (5#, 105 pts)

5 Crusader Squad @ 105 pts (Meltagun; Lascannon)

Troops: Crusader Squad (5#, 105 pts)

5 Crusader Squad @ 105 pts (Meltagun; Lascannon)

Troops: Crusader Squad (5#, 105 pts)

5 Crusader Squad @ 105 pts (Meltagun; Lascannon)

Total Roster Cost: 2000

2000 Pts - Blood Angels Roster - Terminator Spam

HQ: Librarian (1#, 130 pts)

1 Librarian @ 130 pts (...in Terminator Armour; Blood Lance; The Sanguine Sword)

1 ...in Terminator Armour (Storm Bolter)

Elite: Sanguinary Priest (2#, 170 pts)

1 Sanguinary Priest @ 170 pts (Sanguinary Priest in Terminator Armour; Sanguinary Priest in Terminator Armour)

1 Sanguinary Priest in Terminator Armour

1 Sanguinary Priest in Terminator Armour

Elite: Terminator Squad (10#, 470 pts)

1 Terminator Squad @ 470 pts (Terminator with Cyclone Missile Launcher; Terminator with Cyclone Missile Launcher)

1 Sergeant

7 Terminator (Chain Fist x2)

1 Terminator with Cyclone Missile Launcher

1 Terminator with Cyclone Missile Launcher

Elite: Terminator Squad (10#, 470 pts)

1 Terminator Squad @ 470 pts (Terminator with Cyclone Missile Launcher; Terminator with Cyclone Missile Launcher)

1 Sergeant

7 Terminator (Chain Fist x2)

1 Terminator with Cyclone Missile Launcher

1 Terminator with Cyclone Missile Launcher

Troops: Assault Squad (5#, 125 pts)

3 Assault Squad @ 125 pts (Meltagun)

1 Assault Marine with Meltagun

1 Sergeant (Close Combat Weapon; Infernus Pistol x1)

Troops: Assault Squad (5#, 125 pts)

3 Assault Squad @ 125 pts (Meltagun)

1 Assault Marine with Meltagun

1 Sergeant (Close Combat Weapon; Infernus Pistol x1)

Troops: Assault Squad (5#, 125 pts)

3 Assault Squad @ 125 pts (Meltagun)

1 Assault Marine with Meltagun

1 Sergeant (Close Combat Weapon; Infernus Pistol x1)

Troops: Assault Squad (5#, 125 pts)

3 Assault Squad @ 125 pts (Meltagun)

1 Assault Marine with Meltagun

1 Sergeant (Close Combat Weapon; Infernus Pistol x1)

Troops: Assault Squad (5#, 125 pts)

3 Assault Squad @ 125 pts (Meltagun)

1 Assault Marine with Meltagun

1 Sergeant (Close Combat Weapon; Infernus Pistol x1)

Troops: Assault Squad (5#, 125 pts)

3 Assault Squad @ 125 pts (Meltagun)

1 Assault Marine with Meltagun

1 Sergeant (Close Combat Weapon; Infernus Pistol x1)

Total Roster Cost: 1990

2000 Pts - Space Wolves Roster - Terminator Spam

HQ: Logan Grimnar, The Great Wolf (1#, 275 pts)

1 Logan Grimnar, The Great Wolf @ 275 pts

Elite: Lone Wolf (3#, 105 pts)

1 Lone Wolf @ 105 pts (...in Terminator Armour)

1 Lone Wolf in Terminator Armour (Fenrisian Wolf; Chain Fist; Storm Shield)

2 Fenrisian Wolf (Unit Type: Beasts; Vicious claws and fangs; Counter-attack)

Elite: Lone Wolf (3#, 105 pts)

1 Lone Wolf @ 105 pts (...in Terminator Armour)

1 Lone Wolf in Terminator Armour (Fenrisian Wolf; Chain Fist; Storm Shield)

2 Fenrisian Wolf (Unit Type: Beasts; Vicious claws and fangs; Counter-attack)

Elite: Lone Wolf (3#, 105 pts)

1 Lone Wolf @ 105 pts (...in Terminator Armour)

1 Lone Wolf in Terminator Armour (Fenrisian Wolf; Chain Fist; Storm Shield)

2 Fenrisian Wolf (Unit Type: Beasts; Vicious claws and fangs; Counter-attack)

Troops: Wolf Guard Pack (5#, 240 pts)

1 Wolf Guard Pack @ 240 pts (Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour; Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour; Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour)

1 Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour (Cyclone Missile Launcher)

1 Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour

3 Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour (Chain Fist)

Troops: Wolf Guard Pack (5#, 240 pts)

1 Wolf Guard Pack @ 240 pts (Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour; Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour; Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour)

1 Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour

1 Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour (Cyclone Missile Launcher)

3 Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour (Chain Fist)

Troops: Wolf Guard Pack (5#, 240 pts)

1 Wolf Guard Pack @ 240 pts (Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour; Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour; Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour)

1 Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour

1 Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour (Cyclone Missile Launcher)

3 Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour (Chain Fist)

Troops: Wolf Guard Pack (5#, 240 pts)

1 Wolf Guard Pack @ 240 pts (Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour; Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour; Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour)

1 Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour

1 Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour (Cyclone Missile Launcher)

3 Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour (Chain Fist)

Troops: Wolf Guard Pack (5#, 240 pts)

1 Wolf Guard Pack @ 240 pts (Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour; Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour; Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour)

1 Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour

1 Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour (Cyclone Missile Launcher)

3 Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour (Chain Fist)

Fast Attack: Land Speeder Squadron (1#, 70 pts)

1 Land Speeder Squadron @ 70 pts (Multi-Melta x1; Heavy Flamer x1)

Fast Attack: Land Speeder Squadron (1#, 70 pts)

1 Land Speeder Squadron @ 70 pts (Multi-Melta x1; Heavy Flamer x1)

Fast Attack: Land Speeder Squadron (1#, 70 pts)

1 Land Speeder Squadron @ 70 pts (Multi-Melta x1; Heavy Flamer x1)

Total Roster Cost: 2000

2000 Pts - Space Marines Roster - Terminator Spam

HQ: Space Marine Librarian (1#, 125 pts)

1 Space Marine Librarian @ 125 pts (...in Terminator Armour; Null Zone; The Gate of Infinity)

1 ...in Terminator Armour

HQ: Space Marine Librarian (1#, 125 pts)

1 Space Marine Librarian @ 125 pts (...in Terminator Armour; Null Zone; The Gate of Infinity)

1 ...in Terminator Armour

Elite: Terminator Assault Squad (10#, 400 pts)

9 Terminator Assault Squad @ 400 pts (Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield x9)

1 Sergeant (Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield x1)

Elite: Terminator Assault Squad (10#, 400 pts)

9 Terminator Assault Squad @ 400 pts (Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield x9)

1 Sergeant (Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield x1)

Troops: Tactical Squad (6#, 165 pts)

4 Tactical Squad @ 165 pts (Razorback)

1 Sergeant (Bolt Pistol; Bolter)

1 Razorback (Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Lascannon and TL Plasmagun)

Troops: Tactical Squad (6#, 165 pts)

4 Tactical Squad @ 165 pts (Razorback)

1 Sergeant (Bolt Pistol; Bolter)

1 Razorback (Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Lascannon and TL Plasmagun)

Troops: Tactical Squad (6#, 165 pts)

4 Tactical Squad @ 165 pts (Razorback)

1 Sergeant (Bolt Pistol; Bolter)

1 Razorback (Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Lascannon and TL Plasmagun)

Fast Attack: Attack Bike Squad (2#, 100 pts)

2 Attack Bike Squad @ 100 pts (Multi-Melta x2)

Fast Attack: Attack Bike Squad (2#, 100 pts)

2 Attack Bike Squad @ 100 pts (Multi-Melta x2)

Heavy Support: Predator (1#, 85 pts)

1 Predator @ 85 pts (Heavy Bolter (each side))

Heavy Support: Predator (1#, 85 pts)

1 Predator @ 85 pts (Heavy Bolter (each side))

Heavy Support: Predator (1#, 85 pts)

1 Predator @ 85 pts (Heavy Bolter (each side))

Total Roster Cost: 2000

2000 Pts - Chaos Marines Roster - Terminator Spam

HQ: Abaddon the Despoiler (1#, 275 pts)

1 Abaddon the Despoiler @ 275 pts

Elite: Chaos Terminators (10#, 425 pts)

1 Chaos Terminators @ 425 pts (Icon of Tzeentch; Terminator; Terminator; Terminator; Terminator)

6 Terminator (Combi-melta x2)

1 Terminator (Reaper Autocannon x1)

1 Terminator (Reaper Autocannon x1)

2 Terminator (Chain Fist x2)

Elite: Chaos Terminators (10#, 425 pts)

1 Chaos Terminators @ 425 pts (Icon of Tzeentch; Terminator; Terminator; Terminator; Terminator)

6 Terminator (Combi-melta x2)

1 Terminator (Reaper Autocannon x1)

1 Terminator (Reaper Autocannon x1)

2 Terminator (Chain Fist x2)

Troops: Plague Marines (5#, 140 pts)

5 Plague Marines @ 140 pts (Personal Icon; Meltagun x2)

Troops: Plague Marines (5#, 140 pts)

5 Plague Marines @ 140 pts (Personal Icon; Meltagun x2)

Troops: Plague Marines (5#, 140 pts)

5 Plague Marines @ 140 pts (Personal Icon; Meltagun x2)

Heavy Support: Obliterators (2#, 150 pts)

2 Obliterators @ 150 pts

Heavy Support: Obliterators (2#, 150 pts)

2 Obliterators @ 150 pts

Heavy Support: Obliterators (2#, 150 pts)

2 Obliterators @ 150 pts

Total Roster Cost: 1995

Also I know I missed out Grey Knights but have you seen an optimised pure Grey Knights army win a game, let alone a themed one?

Obviously it's possible to cram more Terminators into most of these lists but unfortunately 5th Ed. makes Troops choices a bit more essential than they used to be...

Thoughts?

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