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Throne of Skulls - Mike - Day 1

Next up is Mike.

Me and Mike have completely different design philosophies when it comes to armies. Whereas I would find a unit configuration I like and simply duplicate it a number of times Mike would create a similar number of different units that were capable of doing the same job. Though the end result is broadly similar, the way the armies are used is completely different due to the varying design methods we both use.

Mike has recently started his own blog. Though it's in it's early stages of development it can be found here if you fancy a look and he assures me that he'll start updating it more regularly at some point ;-)

Lets get started then,

1750 Pts - Mikes ToS Blood Angels
HQ: Captain Tycho (1#, 175 pts)
   1 Captain Tycho @ 175 pts

HQ: Librarian in Power Armour (1#, 125 pts)
   1 Librarian in Power Armour @ 125 pts (Jump Pack; Blood Lance; Fear of the Darkness)

Elite: Sanguinary Priest (1#, 105 pts)
   1 Sanguinary Priest @ 105 pts (Brother Corbulo)
      1 Brother Corbulo

Elite: Chaplain in Power Armour (1#, 100 pts)
   1 Chaplain in Power Armour @ 100 pts

Elite: Sternguard Veteran Squad (8#, 265 pts)
   6 Sternguard Veteran Squad @ 265 pts (Combi-Meltagun x2; Combi-Plasmagun x1; Rhino)
      1 Sergeant (Bolt Pistol; Power Fist x1)
      1 Rhino

Troops: Tactical Squad (11#, 270 pts)
   9 Tactical Squad @ 270 pts (Flamer; Lascannon; Razorback)
      1 Sergeant (Bolt Pistol; Bolter)
      1 Razorback (Lascannon and TL Plasmagun)

Troops: Tactical Squad (11#, 245 pts)
   9 Tactical Squad @ 245 pts (Meltagun; Missile Launcher; Razorback)
      1 Sergeant (Bolt Pistol; Power Weapon x1)
      1 Razorback (Twin-Linked Heavy Flamer)

Troops: Assault Squad (8#, 194 pts)
   6 Assault Squad @ 194 pts (Meltagun)
      1 Assault Marine with Meltagun
      1 Sergeant (Lightning Claw x2)

Troops: Death Company (10#, 270 pts)
   1 Death Company @ 270 pts (Death Company; Death Company; Death Company; Rhino)
      1 Death Company (Power Weapon)
      1 Death Company (Power Fist)
      7 Death Company
      1 Rhino

Total Roster Cost: 1749

Game 1 Vs. Tau.
Mission - Seize Ground*, Deployment - Dawn of War
Result - Loss

* When announcing the mission the Tournament organiser said one mission type and put a different one on the display. This resulted in a large number of people playing the stated mission (Seize Ground) rather than the apparently correct displayed one (Capture and Control). I must point out however that this was the only organisation screw-up that I was aware of the whole weekend.

Opponents Army List.
2 x Commanders,
2 x Crisis Suits,
1 x 3 Stealth Suits,
3 x 10 Fire Warriors,
1 x 6 Fire Warriors with Carbines,
2 x Hammerheads with Ion Cannons,
1 x 3 Broadsides,
Fuck loads** of drones.

** Not sure that the phrase 'fuck-loads' can be accurately quantified but I'm presuming it means 'lots'...

Significant Events.
Power Weapon Sergeant ties-up Commander for 4 rounds of Combat.
Turn 5 I would have won, Turn 6 it was a draw, Turn 7 my opponent won.










Game 2 Vs. Chaos Daemons.
Mission - Annihilation, Deployment - Spearhead.
Result - Win

Opponents Army List.
Keeper of Secrets,
1 x 6 Fiends,
1 x 4 Flamers,
1 x 20 Daemonettes,
1 x 10 Bloodletters,
1 x 9 Bloodletters,
1 x 10 Pink Horrors,
Daemon Prince,
Soul Grinder.

Significant Events.
Death Company Rhino should have been mobbed***.
Opponent didn't roll enough 6's (to rend presumably).
Fiends died when charged.

*** I believe Mike is referring to a tactic that I use with my Daemons whereby I charge a vehicle with my Fiends or Fleshhounds and surround it completely so a vehicle wrecked/destroyed result leaves nowhere for the unit inside to be deployed therefore destroying all (or nearly all) of it. It's a somewhat unpleasant tactic when used against you as there's basically bugger-all you can do to prevent it if your within range.






Note the gap at the rear of the Death Company Rhino from which they can disembark...

...Which they promptly do. Had that gap been closed the unit inside could have been effectively neutralised. Now they're free to charge and destroy the Fiends next turn.




The four Flamers (almost) completely wiped out that group of Marines with 4x Breath of Chaos.
Game 3 Vs. Space Marines.
Mission - Sieze Ground, Deployment - Pitched Battle.
Result - Win.

Opponents Army List.
Vulkan,
Sternguard in Land Raider Redeemer,
3 x Tactical Squads with Power weapon, Flamer + Multi-Melta in Rhino,
2 x 2 Landspeeder with Multi-Melta + Heavy Flamer.

Significant Events.
Turn one Corbulo used his re-roll to turn a roll of 2 into a 6 in order to destroy a Land Raider.
Tycho and Vulkan battled to the death (Vulkan's death apparently).




The Death Company get ready to do their thing...

The last thing that a Razorback driver want's to see pulling up alongside...


Vulkan and Tycho discuss their differences in a civilised manner...with a duel to the death ;-)


Well that isn't going to end well...
Day one over with. Day two should be appearing tomorrow.
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Throne of Skulls - Chris - Day 2

Following on from Day 1,

There's not a lot of notes for Chris's pair of games from day two but fortunately the next two people's articles have quite a lot of detail so that should make up for it.

Game 4 Vs. Tau.
Mission - Annihilation, Deployment - Pitched Battle.
Result - Win.

Opponents Army List.
Commander + 2 Guards,
4 x Fire Warriors,
4 x Devilfish,
3 x 3 Broadsides.

Significant Events.
Apparently at one point Chris rolled an improbable four sixes to Rend with one of his Assault Cannons.


The giant finger in the sky directs it's troops towards the enemy.

The pinnacle of Tau anti-armour technology.....hides behind some Devilfish... 


I hope that transports moved far enough so that Dreadnought is hitting on 6's...



Editors Note : This game didn't last particularly long as the Blood Angels speed and fire-power seemed to take the Tau player completely by surprise. Though to be fair some bad dice rolls may have had an impact as well.

Game 5 Vs. Imperial Guard.
Mission - Sieze Ground, Deployment - Dawn of War.
Result - Draw.

Opponents Army List.
Company Command Squad c/w Creed and Kell,
Command Squad with Plasma,
2 x 3 Infantry Platoons with Lascannon,
1 x Veteran unit with 3x Meltaguns,
2 x Sentinels.

Editors Note: There were definitely some Leman Russes on the table when I was watching the game as well as some Chimeras and the pictures seem to agree with my recollection of events, lol.

Significant Events.
Apparently there weren't any.


Apparently that model in particular was being singled out for destruction...

The players appear to have given up and gone home...

...and they're back.....





Well that's Chris's day two come to an end with his total results adding up to two wins and three draws.

Next up will be Mikes Blood Angels...
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List Design for Beginners - Part 3(d) - What Army to Choose?

So far we've covered,

Blood Angels, Chaos Daemons and Chaos Space Marines,
Dark Eldar, Eldar and Grey Knights,
Imperial Guard, Necrons and Orks.

As the whole 'alphabetical order' system seems to be working just fine we'll carry on like that.

Space Marines.


First lets clear up a bit of a misconception. The newer Space Marine variants like Blood Angels and Space Wolves are not better than 'vanilla' Space Marines, they're just...well...different and therefore have their own builds that work well. I have Marine builds that can happily kick the shit out of other Marine books because they're builds that compliment the codex. If a build would be better using the Grey Knights book then that's what I'll use but the fact that I still have 'vanilla' Marine armies that win games should tell you something as I don't play to lose now do I?

Now that I've got that off my chest...

'Best Of' - A concept that was first made popular by Stelek of YTTH that was then stolen by lots of people who claimed to have been doing it that way all along...Some of them actually may have been I suppose, but if they were then they were keeping very quiet about it, lol. Anyway, the idea was to take Marine units that were cost effective and offered both Duality* and Redundancy* and then repeat that idea across your whole army.

* These are all fundamental list building concepts we'll go into later in the series along with a few others that I've mentioned in earlier articles.

The basic format was a Master of the Forge with Conversion Beamer who fortified a building and sat in it with a unit of Camo Cloak equipped Sniper scouts (so they all got a 2+ Cover Save), 3 Basic Dreadnoughts, 2 or 3 Tactical Squads in a Rhino with Multi-Melta + Flamer, Some Multi-Melta + Heavy Flamer equipped Landspeeders and 3 Predators in the cheapo Autocannon + Heavy Bolter configuration. This particular build is still an excellent example of list building at it's finest and is a good example of all the concepts we've been talking about as we've gone along so far.

Biker Armies - Taking a Space Marine Captain or Kor'sarro Khan on a Bike enables us to take Space Marine Biker Squads as Troops. This gives a highly mobile army that can pack a lot of Melta but is quite low on models even at high points values. It also really requires a tooled up, expensive Command Squad if it actually wants to kill anything that's a bit tough as normal Space Marine Bikers aren't what you'd call an assault unit by any stretch of the imagination. The basic template is Biker Captain, Biker Command Squad, Space Marine Biker Squads supported by either Land Speeders or more Bikers depending on your preferences. I've also seen it fielded with two Captains and two Command Squads but that particular army is 'Elite' in the extreme. Both variants are relatively cheap to buy if you use the  Dark Angels Ravenwing Battleforce as a basis. Four of the aforementioned battleforces will set you back just over £200 but will give you 24 bikers, 4 Attack Bikes and 4 Landspeeders to build your army out of.

Editors Note : I've just checked and Wayland Games are currently doing the Ravenwing Battleforce for £41.00. Their banner is at the top of my blog so give it a click if your interested ;-)

Dreadnought Spam - The Master of the Forge enables us to take Dreadnoughts in both the Elite and Heavy Support slots giving us the option of taking up to six in total. Most often used to take six Ironclads but has also been utilised to gain access to six 'Rifleman'** or 'Dakka'** Dreadnoughts in the same army. The Master of the Forge/Multiple Dreadnought concept is also a fundamental part of certain 'drop' builds.

** These are the common internet nicknames for a Dreadnought that's replaced both it's arms with Twin-Linked Autocannons as four Twin-Linked S7, AP 4 shots at BS 4 can be pretty scary...

Fast and Slow - A hybrid of the Biker and the Dreadnought builds. The basic idea is that the Bikes zip about killing things and drawing the enemy fire while the Dreadnoughts move forward and punch things when they reach the enemy in later turns. I'm not convinced about the idea myself but I'm told it has been used effectively by other people. If any of them are reading this then feel free to extol it's virtues in the comments section.

Drop Pods - Another army that requires a bit of practice to utilise correctly. The 'Drop Pod Assault' rule enables you to drop half of your army (rounding up) on turn one with the rest arriving from reserves as normal. Drop Pods also have the advantage of not dying if they land on another unit like most 'deep strikers' do, rather they stop just short of whatever they would have landed on...they can still scatter off the board though so be careful ;-)
There are many different 'drop' army concepts though my personal favourite is to alternate between standard Dreadnoughts and Tactical Squads till you reach your chosen points value (including a Master of the Forge once you need that 4th Dreadnought) and then use the Dreadnoughts as an 'Alpha Strike' first wave with the Tactical squads arriving later in support. A Master of the Forge with no upgrades, 6 normal Dreadnoughts in Drop Pods and 5 Tactical Squads (with free upgrades) in Drop Pods comes to 1965 points if your interested. Dropping a Tactical Squad and a Dreadnought and their associated Drop Pods reduces the army by about 250 points so you can easily scale it down if you so desire.

Salamanders - By taking Vulkan in your list, all your Flamers, Heavy Flamers, Meltaguns and Multi-Meltas become twin-linked. Combine this with BS 4 and you have Melta weapons that rarely miss (It's something like an 11% chance of missing I believe) and Flamers that re-roll to wound. This rather cleverly makes your army behave exactly like a salamanders army would, lol. Don't forget to take some long range weapons though or you could find yourself outmanoeuvred or crippled at range by certain opponents.

Razorback Spam and Rhino Rush - Yes they can do these if they like but they are (imo) two of the 'other Marines do it better' builds.

Hopefully the above will have shown you that there's still plenty of life in that particular book. It also contains the 40 point Thunderhammer + Storm Shield armed Assault Terminator which is one of the most cost effective assault unit in any Marine book and arguably one of the most points effective in any Codex...

Editors Note : It's also been pointed out to me via E-Mail that my alphabetical order system has failed by virtue of the fact that I forgot to mention both Black Templars and Dark Angels...I am therefore going to pretend that I intended to cover Dark Angels with Space Marines, sneak Black Templars in the next article with an equally lame excuse and just hope everyone believes my poor attempt at deceit...

Dark Angels.


Dark Angels basically had no build that couldn't be done better by somebody else in Power Armour. The recent FAQ has however created one viable build by virtue of the fact that they now get the 3+ invulnerable save version of the Storm Shield and the two shot version of the Cyclone Missile Launcher. It goes a little something like this...

The Dark Angels Build - Belial, Upgraded Terminator Command Squad with Apothecary, Cyclone Missile Launcher and maybe a Standard Bearer, 3 or more Deathwing Terminator units with Cyclone Missile Launchers and a couple of Ravenwing Attack Squadrons with 2 Meltaguns and a Multi-Melta attack Bike. Everything that can have a Storm Shield gets one, every unit that can take a Cyclone Missile Launcher does so.

If anybody deserves a new codex then it's the Dark Angels as only having one build that works and a load that don't must be pretty annoying.

Space Wolves.


The Space Wolves Codex is another fine example of what wonders can be done with a 5th Edition codex if some thought has gone into it's design. Their Grey Hunters get the 'Chaos' weapon load-out of Bolter, Bolt Pistol and Close Combat Weapon giving them that all important extra attack, in addition they get the 'Counter-attack' special rule so they get the same number of attacks when assaulted (if they pass their Leadership test) as they do when assaulting. This is somewhat mitigated by their lack of a 'sergeant' making them Leadership eight, but even taking that into account they're a bloody bargain.
Wolf Guard can be taken as elites and configured with almost any combination of Marine equipment that you so desire. Additionally, members of the Wolf Guard unit can be attached to certain other Space Wolf units giving the controlling player considerable flexibility in unit configuration. This wide variety of war-gear also extends to your HQ's making them flexible in the extreme...Oh...and you can take four HQ's if you like...
Before this turns into a unit by unit Codex review, lets look at some builds...

Razorback Spam - A Grey Hunters squad in a Las/Plas Razorback costs 150 points, three Wolf Guard with Combi-Meltas in a Las/Plas Razorback costs 144 points and your Long Fang Squads can take them as well. Add in a Rune Priest or two with the 5+ Cover save power (Storm Caller) and at least one with Tempests Wrath in order to annoy deep striking opponents and maybe a Chooser of the Slain or two in order to keep Infiltrators at a safe distance. Twelve razorbacks at 2000 points is enough to annoy most people but certain Tau, Dark Eldar and Imperial Guard builds will still give you a rough time should they be going first.

Cavalry - Thunderwolf Cavalry were another 'broken' unit until people actually looked at their points cost and other limitations and then (most) people shut up about them. That's not to say that they're ineffective because they're still bloody good at what they do. You can almost do a pure cavalry but you'll need to have a couple of Grey Hunters units to hold objectives if you want to win two thirds of the missions. If you take Canis Wolfborn as a HQ then Fenrisian Wolves become troops but are unable to score by virtue of their special rules so you can do an all Cavalry list but you'd need to completely destroy your opponent in Objective games in order to win. The basis of a list like this would be Canis (or a Wolf Lord on Thunderwolf), Iron Priests on Thunderwolf with Cyberwolves, Fenrisian Wolves, some Grey Hunters for objective holding duties and Thunderwolf Cavalry (Obviously). As Games Workshop don't produce a Thunderwolf model other than Canis then you'd have to find a 3rd party who supplied something you could use instead, though I've seen lists using Chaos Horses from Fantasy, Khorne Juggernaughts, converted Elven Lions from the Chariot kit as well as any number of other options.

Loganwing - Logan Grimnar makes Wolf Guard units troops so you can have an army of them if you like. For the most part these consist of Power Armoured Wolf Guard with attached Cyclone Missile Launcher Terminators with various support units but the possibilities for such builds are far to varied to discuss here without starting a new series of articles but it's enough to say that it's an extremely viable possibility for now.

Battleforces - I know that's a dirty word amongst competitive gamers but it's possible to take quite a varied combination of Space Wolf units and still have an entirely viable army as long as you remember to cover the basics.

As I mentioned at the beginning of this section, there's a lot of variety possible with this codex so it's not surprising that it's the basis for many 'Counts-As' armies.

Tau.


Tau only really have one viable build and it's somewhat one dimensional if were being honest. Most Tau armies work by shooting at you and hoping they kill your whole army before you either shoot them dead first or get into combat with them and then kill them dead. It's a running joke at my FLGS (started by me I'm ashamed to say) that if a Tau player is looking at the assault stats of anything in his army other than Kroot then your probably about to win.

The Tau Build - Commander with Crisis Suit, 3 units of Crisis Suits, mandatory unit of Fire Warriors, some Kroot, Piranhas, possibly some Pathfinders and some combination of Hammerheads or Broadsides in the Heavy Support slot.

I've honestly got nothing against Tau. They're an extremely effective army when used correctly but if you want to win games then your army configuration is going to be very similar to every other Tau player who wants to win games...

Okay that's three more done. Just Tyranids, Witch Hunters and Black Templars (that I should have done first but forgot all about) left to cover before we can get stuck into some of the list building fundamentals.

Thoughts and comments are (as usual) most welcome.
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